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Season 1, Episode 6 · 1 month ago

#6 So normal its abnormal


Here, the hosts discuss the novel "Normal People" they go through extracts of the book which inpire them, thgey see how the normal people are well, so abnormal. 

Hi, welcome to Tako. Tako talks, a podcast where I call it and I will talk about random literature experts from it, and today we have, I have actually one of the most interesting, not I wouldn't call it interesting, honestly, the most relatable. Yeah, I think that's a that's a good way to describe the most relatable book I've I would I wouldn't also say ever read. I've recently read. It's a very good book. It's sold over a million copy. It's a million copy based Sillo and like, people talk a lot about it, but I cannot properly complement things because I'm a narcissist. So yeah, so we're gonna talk about something and it's called normal people by Sally Rooney. YEA, because I really like this author and I think you've read another book from Yeah, I've read her conversation with friends. Absolute great read. Maybe you can discuss it about later on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and all Kay. So I'm gonna take a slightly different approach than we usually know. I am going to like skim through random pages like I've always skimmed through them. I'm gonna skims through them again and tell you why this you know resonates with me, why it's related to me and why it's important for me to hear it. All right, let'start. Please hold my bookmark. You can talk about that. Is An amazing artist. So right. I just saw a bookmark that he makes things. I just found out today that for every book that much reads, Tamacha makes his own personalized the bookmark for the book. And this bookmark is so pretty, so nice. It's got a Fox, mother Fox, with her two Baby Fox cuddling with her and their eyes like close a little and they look adorable. It's so, so, so pretty. I want fun, please. You will have fun anyway. So, no, I wanted to speak like that. condents teach. You will get your charge, okay, anyway. So, all right, so this is actually kind of interesting, kind of Morbid, and so I start. He said he wished he would show her, but there was always people around. So some context is they're talking about a random abandoned building, all right, and he wanted to show it to her, but there are always people. The protagonist, yeah, the male protagonist. All right, he often makes belight remarks about what he wishes in quotes. I wish you didn't have to go, he says when she's leaving. Or I wish you could have stayed the night. If you really wished for any of those things, Marianne knows that they would happen. Cornell always get what's he wants, what he wants, and then feels sorry for himself when what he wants doesn't make him happy. Wow, that's state. It's psychology, it's psychology and it's I'll take the bookmark back. It's psychology and, Um, you know, it's it's our ever, it's we never were, never satisfied, are we? Happiness is just a state of mind with changes we are not happy about getting. I feel like he's the kind of guy who gets bored easily. Or No, yeah, yeah, like, I wouldn't say bored, I would say he's not fulfilled. Yeah, and he does not know what will exactly fulfill him precisely. So he would want a lot of things, and I like how or maybe he's used to being like that. So with this girl, he knows he really loves her, he wants her, but he's the fear that maybe his way of perception in the past, that he's getting bodied or he's never satisfied, will affect what they have. Yeah, maybe there's a there's a plane crossing. So don't...

...mind the noiselessness, the fear, right or so? Maybe? Yeah, for me, I feel that as a normal person in this book, I'm actually going to use the normal person punt throughout the podcast and so so, if it gets annoying, we interview really hard on ourselves for not being good enough. We do and Um, like, I don't want to spoil the experience of this book, especially with this guy. I feel like not being satisfied is a way for him to belittle himself. Though he can get everything, though, quote and quote, he comes from privilege of like. I wouldn't say it comes from privilege, like he has the privilege of getting the things he wants or right, because of his looks and because of his popularity. It doesn't make him happy. It does not, you know. So basically, the surface meaning and the meaning under the surface are two different things for him. Yes, and unlessenitally experiences the surface, he cannot understand the so if the surface is good enough and if it's not good enough, it's not the surface that's not good enough, the fear. It's the fear of not being good enough. For the good surface, making the surface bad interesting. So yeah, that's how I interpreted it and that's how I related to it. Yeah, that that does make sense, but it doesn't. You need to explain me more. I cannot like it's it's I just resonate with it. You know. No, but it's a very interesting thing to write and explain the way the author has written. It's quite deep and a few sentences are able to say so much about the character. And the funny fact is that he knows this thing and the girl also knows this. Exactly interesting. And you know, the other, like the other interests, Tay thing, which I just realized, is that when we speak, though, we have speak completing each other sentences, but we're speaking in a completely different intonation and completely different understanding of it, which is interesting. This is a good podcast. People should I'm having a different approach towards this and I think you're going with a different approach. Yeah, and we don't. We have parallel lines and were still are able to understand it in our own we're pretty I want to. I wonder, dear listeners, I wonder what you think about it. Please comment below and let us know what you think. About this first extract. That is sharing and because we basically all have very yeah, all of them, because we seem to be having different opinions at the same time. We understand. So we want to know what you feel about this and what your take is on them. The next one that I oh, good fucking Lord, this is good. It's a little long, okay, so people in college are like this, unpleasantly smart one minute and then abasing themselves to of their good manners the next. He septs beer with Garet. He here is the male protagonist with Gareth's I don't remember Gareth's, watches him without any apparent sarcasm. Gareth grins and says enjoy. This is what it's like in Dublin. All Cornell, I like seeing your expressions. When his randomly, court thinks, yeah, that's what it's like in Dublin. All cornels. Classmates have identical accents, carry the same size macpok under their arms in salmon in seminars, they express their opinions passionately and conduct impronto debates. Unable to form such straightforward views or express them with any force, cornell initially felt a sense of crushing inferiority to his fellow students, as if he had upgraded himself accidentally to an intellectual level far above his own, where he had to strain to make ends of the most basic premise. He did gradually start... understand, start to wonder, I'm sorry, by all their class room discussions were so abstract and lacking in textual detail, and eventually he realized that most people were not actually doing the reading. They were coming into the college every day to have heated debates about the books they had not read, and there's no end. He understands now that his classmates and not like him. It's easy for them to have opinions to express them with confidence. They don't worry about appearing ignoring or concided. They are not stupid people, but they are not so much smarter than him either. They just moved through the world in a different way. He'll probably never understand them, and he knows they will never understand him or even try. He only had then. It's like random stuff. So yeah, what do you think? What do you want me to rave about fire like this? Two Things I observed about Colin. Firstly, I think conor is very observed. Secondly, he's quiet, he's always observing, but he never offends people about what they think. I think right. Am I right? Or Am I? You're right? He's conceited that way himself. He's judging everybody himself, but he's he doesn't make anybody uncomfortable. kind of but Um, when you go through the entire book, I also think it's not that good of a person to think like I read this book a very long time but I do not remember. I've only seen the series, but series doesn't showed this much character and doesn't show this much of depth as much as I think the book the writing does. So it's for example, if I put myself as a classmate of Cornell, I would never understand con might be thinking like this. If I'm having a debate, maybe I'm doing how does he know that I haven't read in depth? If I'm reading in debt and I'm discussing and staid, he's thinking. So maybe there's a little bit of a narcissistic view that he has, or an observe. I think he's very observed observation, but his observation is also biased to himself. Exactly that, and he's trying to make himself look quite modest in him, in his own opinion. So there's a hint of narcissism. Also, there's a hint of narcissism. And, Um, what is the word? I've forgotten. What is the opposite of observant? Ignorant? Ignorant. He's ignorantly observant because he does not ask about his observations, in a way that he's making certain judgments, though the judgments he is making, he's not judging them for making those judgments. It is a very, you know, a mixed opinion and like not now, if I only think about the first extract that you said, in the second extract that you've read and what are about the same person. He's quite complicated inside and he's very complicated and he's also grown, you know, in this. Okay, that was he was in school at that time. Now he's in college. In School, he knew what he wanted. This, this is a this is kind of a buildings room and all the suff yeah, and it's like the character. But thing is happening right now precisely, and I just realized, none of my abstracts have Marianne really in them, none of them. They're all about Cornell. That's interesting. That's interesting in itself. But yeah, that's what it is. And Yeah, we do not have Marianne and any of these though she's an amazing character. She's a powerful character. I really like the fact how it changes in high school that Cornell is the cool guy, the body, like the life of the party. Probably, yeah, everybody. Marianne is on the sideways and it's the opposite. And then she completely transforms and he feels a little Janson. He's a little intimidated like her also. So...

...that's a little reversal of the whole thing, right, and I wonder how it has affected him m because, Um, he was mean to her initially because he hit the relation. He never it was embarrassed of her, and now look at her. She's amazing. Like we can cut that, we can. It's finally'll keep it, um, but I think we spoiled the series or readers and not really the book. I'm sorry people have seen the series, but because I'm exploring the book for the first time through Tama, I feel like I need to read the book more. The series is just the series and I think there's more to the writer. The writer is amazing. Sally Rooney. It really has an edge, the way she describes how people think, the way she goes into the characters mind, she builds them up. It's really amazing. It is and you know, the While you were talking about I guess this abstract is going to be a little longer, Um, when you were talking about him being embarrassed off in school and now being scared of her, I've had a similar experience with a friend. We'll we'll talk about that later because we don't want to extend the time. It's just a suspense for your listens to keep on listening to us. All right, this one it is. It is not deep, it is not funny, it's normal. Okay, as the entire focus, Um Cornell has been casually seeing a friend of this called TERRISA. Marianne has no real problems with TERRISA, but finds herself frequently prompting Cornell to say bad things about her for no reason, which she refuses to do so, and I have no clue. I am it is there, but I find that terrorists a girl extremely Understan relatable, not understanding extremely relatable, because there's always this first know makes you say bad things about people and it shows how Cornell has improved in a way that he doesn't want to say bad things about people, and it's earlier he used to care about the society and say and bend according to them, and now it is not. His character development is quite fascinating. And on the other hand, Marianne is is who she was and she's the same. She's the same. She does not care. Then she's popular now, but she's still done. She's popular because she does not care and cordial to an extent. Maybe is not popular because he cares. Yeah, it could be. It feels like the characters have swopped exactly, but they've swopped but they have essentially remained the same. And do you have any comments about TERRORISTA? Such a person something you need to give me more about Harrisa? I don't remember anything about TERRISA. I just I just when I was like skimming through the book. So most of the codes I refer to some random blogs and they had like page numbers highlighted and I read those page numbers and so while I was skimming I just this paragraphs sadly spoke. I wouldn't spoke to me. Just stopped to read it and you know, it was interesting because people have this really amazing tendency of, you know, criminalizing people, making them look better than other people. I don't think it's only jealousy. Is a very common human nature. The differences some people are able to turn the jealousy into envy and make it more positive and some people are not able to and they react to that jealousy and that's what makes them criminal in that way. Maybe maybe, but maybe perhaps, but it's the damage you do. If you're jealous of somebody, okay, fine, but if you start make being mean to them, if you start doing the damage, then that's a little sad. Wrong, wrong, it's pretty wrong. But what is the song?...

I have no idea. All Right, Um, do we want? Yeah, we need to move on to the next one. So where is it? Just speak something. I need to find me. I'm supposed to be. Oh, founded. Yeah, so mark. Oh, this is a really cool thing about the book. So all the Um, what is the dialogue? It's not in quotations, it is sentences. You cannot. She does not say specifically. He says. She says with the quotations that there will read it with you. I mean you read, I'm reading. Yeah, and no, I just wanted to comment on the writing style. How the speech is the part of the text and not really highlighted with the quotations to make it stand out sort of, which makes it confusing. It was very confusing in reading to read it, but then it feels the thoughts the speech is like it's a utopia. R thoughts were enough. Your thoughts, the context and speech is the same plane. You though, you think you're smarter, though you have more layers with what you're saying, it is still transparent to the reader because, yeah, then you start understanding their characters and you expect what which character would be saying that? And like the thoughts in this like I like it. I'm not sure if that's what the writer intended and I most most probably should have read it like read online. Why should this? But it's okay, you're the reader. You can read it whatever way this is. As a reader, you can do it in uh, take it in a way you want to take it. So it's an INDEPENDEX and itself. You can make it independ precisely. So. Yeah, so this is something I wanted to add. One of the main reasons why I wanted to choose this book is this so she um. Okay, Marie Ann says it is not in the book, but I know it's her thing. I don't even know with you, he he, in this case is Cornell. He shakes his head, drinks another mouthful of coffee swallows. Yes, you do, he says. You like to think of people as mysterious, but I'm really not a mysterious person. I guess everyone is a mystery. is a mystery in a way. She adds. I mean you can never really know another person and so on. Yeah, do you think like that, though? It's what people say. What I do not know about you, he says. Marianne smiles, yawns, lifts her hand in a shrug. People are a lot more knowledgeable than the thing they are. He adds. Can I get in the shower first, or do you want to now? You Go. Can I use your laptop and check some emails and stuff? Yeah, go it, she says. In the bastroom the light is blue and clinical. She opens the shower door and turns the handle, waits for the water to get warm. She brushes. After that it becomes normally so yeah, it is a little confusing for me. You understand who's speaking more exactly. Yeah, it is a little but I suppose because you've read the whole thing. You know, I'm used to it. Yeah, because I've just read this, this part. So, yeah, it is difficult for me because you do not know who's speaking. Motan. Is that even being spoken? Or isn't that amazing about this? Is An amazing thing about the author. Year that because you've read the whole thing, even though without any um commas are inverted anything, like saying that Sallya like Donald said this, Marian said this. You're able to understand, understand who said WHO's that's the right thing. That's just strong writing in a way, exact, and it's spectacular. It is literally spectacular. Um. Anyway, why I choose this mysterious part Um? Well, you know, before I get to this, I'm again going to rave about this book being so normal. You does the name exactly. It is such a normal book. It speaks and... just speaks. That's it. That's all it does. And about the mysteries. But I, as a person, have all they said that I'm a very biggy person. I do not make a lot of friends, I do not speak with a lot of person people you don't know that and I used to be very proud of you know, I mean this is a very wrong thing, but I was younger at that time that I only make friends with people of a certain age, a certain for lack of a better world class, a certain educational background, a certain you know, a certain mannerism, which is still do. I still prefer people with manners over the ones without any manners whatsoever, and because, in my opinion, the education, the manners give them a mystery and I want people that I talk to be mysterious, to add something to my life, which which I still do, and I think it's terribly selfish of me to things like that, but I do that and I think it's fine and I love how Marian though, exhibiting this type of making friends. She's like everybody is my type to be a friend. Everybody is a mystery, while Cornell is like are they yeah, like it kind of shows that Marianne knows she has character and what her character is, while Cornell has more character, which is evident because I only speak about him more or less. If Marianne has been a second like in these abstracts, the most important person for me has been Condeti, secting him has been important for me. While Marianne is there in this conversation, seems a very both opposite but at the same time I feel like the way they understand each other they're very similar. They're more similar, but they're opposite, but they're more similar. Does that make sense? It does, you know, this makes me a member of its way, it's it's a bit of a paradox in that way. I don't know, like put a pin on it. I can't put a pin on it, but that's the why as what you're explaining. That's that's what I can confer from it. So are they like? So can you just the thing is, the question that I'm questioning myself about both of them is, are they soulmates or not? Whatever, despite however the book ends. Okay, I already ruined everything, so I will not say how it ends. But are they soulmates or not? Or if there's no soul made things. Not Everybody believes in soulmates. Or if should they be together? Should they be not? Do they get along? Do they're not? Are the same? Are They not? Are they meant for Each Other? Are They not? Well, maybe scratch everything. Are they meant for Each Other? In the end. No specific in this. If I take what like isolated extras that favorite, I would say no, I'm biased with Marianne basically living alone or entire life and becoming that spinster women with cats. Being very honest, like, I don't think such a person gets to be happy in a relationship. I feel so I feel sad for her. I felt liking her. Now I do like her. That's why I'm excusing her the terrible, terrible affear of somebody else. Yeah, I like. That's my perspective. Not Because, you mean to say, because Colin is so complex in his own way and he lets out less, because Marianne is clearly the more expressive one out of it two. So you think that she might be more sad if she's with him? Yeah, precisely. At least you know when you're not with somebody, and I think I sound like an asshole here, but when, as a creative individual, you're not with somebody, it's more vincacle, while being with somebody it's the charm goes away. You do not want what you want interesting. You do not. This is something that we're in the first extracts exactly you mean to say in the very endil that thinks still remains despite all, I think, all the...

...character building that he goes through. That's a bit of five percent of that, I think, remains in size. That little thing remains and everybody. It's a part of everybody exactly, and that's what my fear is being loud here and that's why I'm coming up with this. What's yours? What's your opinion? Old? Do they get to be together? I don't know. But the thing is now my opinion is changing since you've discussed because I only saw the series. So now my opinion is changing a little, but I think I really need to read it again, though I know how it ends, but since I've read the first book conversation with friends, I loved it. By the way, you know, I just realized. I'm sorry to cut you in between, and we can actually get I'll get this book to you. You also figure out abstracts and we have a part two for this. Maybe we can. Maybe. So friends, uh listeners, wait for the part second. Also because I think we're not done with this book. Maybe we need to get a go deeper into it, because the characters are just so, so, so interesting. If you wouldn't call them interesting. I would call them normal. Okay, yes, so, but normality is the new mystery. Normality is the new mystery. So for that reason we've been naming we'll be naming our next podcast normality, the next let's call this normality, the next mystery, part one and part two, whenever we release it. And Yeah, so, I'm so sorry. You were saying something about the other book. Yeah, with the conversation of friends. is a different tone now, I feel it's more the characters have deeper complexities and all, but they're more expressive, I feel, and as expressive as US Italian banging on everything. Yeah, but but it's like in the conversation with friends, the way I think it's the author, the magic of the narration and the way Sally Really makes it happen. The characters are very relatable, even if they're not relatable to me, even if I'm not like the characters in the book. My opinion changed about situations, people in, what environment and what they go and what is their strain of thought? It made me realize that, okay, if I have the strain of thought, not everybody would have. Everybody has a different way. The clothes of the mind work very differently for everyone and the situations they find themselves. So there was this line that book conversation with friends. The protagonist is having an affair with a married man and the wife tells her he's passive aggressive. So you know, did he do something to you? Is He are you okay? And the way she says is, I mean that's her excuse, the fact that he has his own way, what experience and why he's having an affair with that girl and not he's not, and his wife knows and the whole situation. It's it's very interesting. That was very interesting about for me, which which reminds me I recently got this book called Sons and lovers, which is a story about yeah, I read that one. You've read that, Lawrence, right. Yes, I need to read it. I was going to get it for you today. It's about an audifics complex. Yes, yes, it's very interesting. I am going to read I'm thinking of reading it and it might be a little boring, creased, not from our time. I'm not from our time story and the whole concept it's amazing. It is really it does make sense and it's about insecurities. I think I go through it in how people get insecurities and how they become insecure and how insecurities affect you. I think every book is about that, is it not? That's insecurities create that story. Yeah, but I feel this book is more about fear. Yeah, and we are over time right now. It's I think we should...

I don't want to end this episode. Know, we shall definitely continue and I think I will pick a read on this and then I hope you will pick a conversation with friends that and let's get back to Sally Rooney, who is an amazing, amazing Irish writer and I like I'll actually take this time to say that, since we are already over time. I'm just gonna ramble now that it's actually nice talking to you, and so, if it really is a really sorry. I keep saying that, if it listens to know, we know each other way back and uh, some people just get along and then they're able to have such honest conversations, of conversations with friends friends. So yeah, yeah, alright, listeners, thank you for listening to us, Yabo Jabo, and actually have good conversations and not Yaba Jabo. We made your life happier and better and I don't know, something else narcissistic. Thank you for your kind est to sometimes round links at something. I'm not they but peach people sting, I mean might act to do it to please pay with us. There's more things that I think. You have anything to share with us, please comment below. Yep, we'll look forward to hearing from us again in the next episode. And boy, I really like this voice.

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